Heidi Holder and Josh Goldblum joined in a conversation about The Met’s 81st Street Studio, which was lauded as a “glorious (and free) new play space for kids” by Fast Company and “a Garden of Artful Delight” by the New York Times.

The Studio had been wildly successful in its mission to reconsider the museum industry’s traditional rules of engagement and allow play to be the guiding force of inspiration.

Through the lens of this experiential design project, Josh and Heidi identified key strategies for pursuing meaningful, impactful innovation, including developing vision, overcoming internal obstacles, the importance of collaborative, interdisciplinary iteration, and the value of play.

They also discussed the value of spaces like the Studio and museums more broadly as potential disruptors of the status quo.